Jon Moxley fka Dean Ambrose has been making the rounds on the internet. Right after AEW Double or Nothing, Chris Jericho released his Jon Moxley interview on Talk is Jericho. It was a revealing one with some relevations speaking on the creating booking problems that WWE has right now.
His run-ins with Vince McMahon, various creative ideas that were shut down and his utter discontent of being saddled with lame gimmicks. A pure example of that was over the last 10 months as he was given the gimmick of a germaphobe, who was disgusted by the WWE Universe. Apparently, Vince McMahon felt that would get him major heat.
He was also discontented by the scripted promos and he was unable to go another route. It's very apparent that Jon Moxley's first promo was relevant as it pointed to his state of mind.
One day, you will all come to my funeral, just to make sure that I stay dead, but today is not that day. I'm alive! My heart is still beating and I'm breathing fresh air for the first time in a long time. My name is Jon Moxley and I'm on a mission to reclaim my soul....
When it comes to AEW, subtelty isn't their strong point. They take things head on. If anything, there is something organic about it. Now, with that in mind, Jon Moxley sat down for an interview on the Wade Keller Prowrestling Podcast and spoke on several topics after his debut in AEW. One of those topics was his infamous match against Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 32.
Most WWE fans may remember that the match with Brock Lesnar didn't go as planned. It was meant to be a street fight but only led to Brock Lesnar going over Jon Moxley fka Dean Ambrose.
Dean Ambrose at the time made his discontent clear on the Stone Cold Podcast. He went as far to call Brock Lesnar 'Lazy' and that he was hard to deal with, and The Beast Incarnate didn't want to do anything.
When Jon Moxley spilled his guts at the time, WWE fans didn't realize that wasn't the whole story. So let's get into everything that led up to the match.
Special thanks to 411Mania.com for the transcription.
#5 Jon Moxley went off-script (a little bit) with Brock Lesnar
Jon Moxley recalled his reaction on getting the match with Brock Lesnar. He did say that by the time WrestleMania 32 came around, the angle had died out.
He was excited that his match with Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns was great and worked out well, when they were competing for the No. 1 Contender spot for the WWE Championship. Before that, he did say that his first promo was electric and he went off-script just a bit as he said his lines.
I kinda took it upon myself to be like, ‘I’m gonna get up in Brock’s face. What’s the worst that could happen?’ So I got all up in Brock’s face and I’m trying to portray to him that like, ‘Yeah, you might be the suplex machine guy, but I might stab you. I might stick a pencil in your eye. I bring a different dynamic as an opponent.
You’re obviously physically a much different thing than me, but I might stab you’ kind of vibe. So I’m up in his face, whatever, and there’s electricity.
The people are like ‘Whoo, this is interesting.’ I’m doing that all on my own. This isn’t scripted, right? But it got over, and there was electricity between us.”
#4 Brock Lesnar and Jon Moxley were not exactly on the same page
Jon Moxley was actually excited about the fact that he was going to face Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 32.
He felt it was a dream match and could be one for the ages. Considering it was a street fight, he assumed that Lesnar and him could have the best match on the card. But Lesnar's reaction was something else.
And I’m thinking Brock is probably thinking on the same page as me, like, ‘We’re gonna tear it up! I think he thought he was just doing me a favor, me being in the ring with him was enough to like do awesome things for me. I think that’s what he thought. He didn’t wanna be there.
The match was indicative of WWE being more in the Brock Lesnar business than the Dean Ambrose business.
#3 Vince McMahon forced the red wagon segment on him
It goes without saying that Vince McMahon has been part of the creative decision making of WWE for a very long time. But something has changed in the way the show has been booked and is perhaps reflective of the fact that Vince McMahon is a man who has not kept up with the times.
Jon Moxley was mortified of the fact that he carried a red wagon filled with weapons to the ring. He went to Vince's office to confront him.
Yo! I’m going to face Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. I’m going to my death! This is so serious, and you’ve got me dragging a little red wagon. Make me understand.’ And he’s like ‘Oh, it’s uh, it’s dead serious to you. You used to drag that white weapon out there, you aren’t even going to look at him. You’re gonna drag the wagon out, put your weapons in. ‘I’ll see you at WrestleMania.
While the segment was not poorly received, Jon Moxley felt otherwise.
#2 Jon Moxley pitched a very different finish
Jon Moxley is not short of creative ideas. Before he became Dean Ambrose, he was wrestling in death matches in the indies, that were violent beyond comprehension. Jon Moxley wanted thumbtacks to be the centerpiece of a long drawn out battle.
And I had Vince, cause I asked him, ‘Can I have one thumbtack bump, please?’ And he said, ‘Maybe,’ with a smiley face. And I thought, ‘Yes, I’m gonna get it.’ So whatever it was at the end, I was ‘And finally … he f**king F5’s me into the f**king thumbtacks or whatever, and I’m on his back, choking him, and he f**king puts me in an F5 in the f**king thumbtacks, and then he doesn’t even bother covering me this time, he just puts me in the head-and-arm choke … he f**king chokes me out, my f**king arm’s up in the air and it’s starting to f**king fade. And then I flip the bird, and then it slowly fades, my arm drops and he chokes me to death after just putting me through the most f**king powerboming me and f**king thumbtacks and F5ing me through f**king every f**king thing
Of course, over time, all his ideas were rejected. But he pitched a very different finish, which was almost similar to the Brock's match with Randy Orton.
I even pitched that he just elbows the s**t out of me and does a doctor stoppage. The same thing he did with Randy at SummerSlam. That’ll be cool. And you can’t say there’ll be blood because they immediately stopped the match.
#1 Brock Lesnar didn't put any effort into the match planning
As intially stated, Jon Moxley pretty much that Brock didn't really put any effort into their WrestleMania match.
“So we’re finally talking, we start talking about the match in earnest the first time while the second match is going on. And we’re fourth. And then we don’t have a finish! And I’m like, he doesn’t want me to kick out of multiple F5s, and at WrestleMania everybody kicks out of like five F5s. Because he only does Germans and F5s. And I’m throwing stuff out there at the last minute, stuff that’s coming to my head. I’m like, ‘What if you f**king like run head-first into a chair and you back up into me and I put you into a German or something?’ He’s like, ‘No.’
Jon Moxley was quite clear that Brock Lesnar is about Brock Lesnar. He's there to collect a paycheck and go home. While this isn't true of every Brock Lesnar match, it was certainly true in this instance.